Tsai Ming-liang, the Taiwanese filmmaker, is a master of cinematic storytelling, and his latest work, Abiding Nowhere, is a testament to his unique vision. In this interview, Tsai reflects on his earlier film, The Hole, and its impact on his career. He discusses the evolution of his style, from the fast-paced, camera-moving shots of Rebels of the Neon God and Vive L'Amour to the slower, more static approach of The Hole and The River. Tsai attributes this shift to his experience with TV productions and the desire to create something new with each film. He also delves into the personal inspiration behind The Hole, which began as a commissioned work exploring the turn of the century. The film's musical elements, incorporating old songs and the expressive singing of Grace Chang, add a layer of sentimentality. Tsai's interest in water damage and its dramatic impact on the film is rooted in his own experiences with rental housing and the challenges of the turn of the century. As Tsai looks forward, he reveals his plans for a new, semi-narrative film, a reunion of past actors, and a unique narrative style. This interview offers a glimpse into the mind of a filmmaker who continues to shape the world of cinema, leaving a lasting impact on audiences and fellow filmmakers alike.